Evidence of Professor Philip Cachia as a witness to the Penrose Inquiry. Discussion of his time as Senior Registrar at the University Hospital of Wales, Cardiff under Professor Jacobs and Professor Bloom between June 1988 to January 1991. Specific questions about Professor Bloom. Specific questions about his exposure to haemophilia care at the hospital. Discussion of her time as consultant Haematologist and Director of Haemophilia services in Tayside from 1992. Discussion of the needs assessment she was asked to conduct of the haemophilia service in Tayside. Professor Cachia explains that regular use of factor concentrates was not monitored by clinical staff in haematology. No routine mechanism for comprehensive care for patients with haemophilia. No formal liaison between haematology department and key specialist services. Discussion of Virology department doing ad hoc blood tests on haemophilia patients without coherent recording system and without consent from patients. Discussed setting up haemophilia centre and comprehensive patient care from 1995 onwards. Discussed support for patients testing positive for Hep C between 1992-1995. Evidence of Dr Charles Hay as a witness to the Penrose Inquiry (previously gave evidence). Appointed in 1994 to Manchester Haemophilia Comprehensive Care Centre. Discussion of his clinical observations and research in respect of non-A non-B Hepatitis C and its differences to Hepatitis B. Discussion of steps to exclude HIV blood donations also reducing risks of post-transfusion hepatitis. Dr Hay states that there was no difference to risk of contracting non-A non B Hepatitis from American over British blood products. States that blood donations from British prisons were still occurring in the 1980s. States that a lot of patients will have been infected with Hepatitis C prior to receiving concentrate. Hepatitis initially known as a benign condition amongst haemophilia doctors. Testing not until 80s. Condom warnings were only given for HIV positive patients. Not until late 80s that Hepatitis positive patients warned to used protection with partners. HIV diagnosis counselling was around 20-60 minutes. Many patients tested for hepatitis C without consent and there was variation and little guidance.