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According to Lord Clarke's oral evidence, he only met clinicians at medical dinners occasionally and he did not meet with any patient groups.

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Lord Clarke in his oral evidence said that blood product was something that hardly came to him as the Minister for Health until the tragedy with people with haemophilia began to develop.

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Lord Clarke in his oral evidence described the idea that a minister had anything to do with the doctor patient relationship as complete nonsense.

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According to Lord Clarke's oral evidence, the Department of Health had a role in advising people and occasionally running campaigns and that there was constant interaction between the medical professions and the Department of Health.

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Lord Clarke in his oral evidence said that he was never responsible for blood products and the campaigners attributed everything to him because he later became a well known figure.

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Lord Clarke in his oral evidence admitted that he did not know how Factor 8 treatment was delivered and wondered if it was a pill to be taken at home.

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Lord Clarke in his oral evidence expressed the view that had the decision be taken to stop giving Factor 8 treatment, the government would have faced rage and fury from the haemophiliac community.

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Lord Clarke in his oral evidence said he was not the "blood products minister" and that it exasperated him that there was a tendency for campaigners and the press to blame him because he was one of the remaining best-known people involved.

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Lord Fowler noted in his evidence to the Inquiry that ministers invested money at a very considerable level, especially given the financial pressures on health spending. It was given priority at the expense of other pressing matters.

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In his evidence to this Inquiry Lord Fowler accepted that the Department and he as Secretary of State, had a responsibility to ensure, as much as possible, that treatment given through the National Health Service was safe.

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Lord Fowler in his oral evidence to this Inquiry said the department's role was to keep up the review of the whole area and to take any action which was necessary to try to preserve public health.

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Lord Fowler in his oral evidence said it was one of the characteristics of the conservative government at the time to have a rapid turnover in ministers.

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In his oral evidence Lord Fowler said he only had occasional one on one meetings with Sir Henry Yellowlees, and he was a distant character who was a traditional CMO and not really in the public health area.

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Lord Fowler in his oral evidence to the Inquiry said in the absence of earlier documents, the first time he could see AIDS brought to his attention was in May 1983 and more in 1985.

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In his oral evidence to the Inquiry Lord Fowler said the Blood Transfusion Research Committee's paper on the problems posed by AIDS to the Blood Transfusion Service was a paper that should have been ringing alarm bells in the department.

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According to Lord Fowler's oral evidence, ministers could provide advice to the public and one such instance was the DHSS public campaign to advise parents to vaccinate their children against whooping cough, a campaign which they believed saved lives.

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Lord Fowler in his oral evidence to the Inquiry said the department should have spotted the need to reflect the balance of the background more precisely in the line that was taken as to no conclusive proof, which should have reflected the fact that the evidence also suggested that it was likely that AIDS could be transmitted by blood.

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Lord Fowler in his evidence to the Inquiry said that one of the most important qualities of a minister is that they must challenge what is being put in front of them.

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In his oral evidence to the Inquiry Lord Fowler said that in theory the responsibility for healthcare in Wales, Northern Ireland and Scotland rested with their respective secretaries of state but in reality the DHSS was so big that anything it did in terms of health tended to be followed in the other areas.

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Lord Fowler said in his oral evidence that though the Wales and Northern Ireland followed the DHSS Scotland remained "determinedly independent" on several things.

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