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Professor Gordon Lowe confirmed in his oral evidence that he became aware of AIDS cases in haemophiliacs in late 1982 from Professor Forbes who was initiating a study of immune abnormalities in patients with severe haemophilia. The conclusion of the study was that Scottish patients had immunological abnormalities similar to those in their US counterparts.

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Professor Goron Lowe stated in his oral evidence that Dr Forbes confirmed in his Penrose Inquiry evidence that blood was taken from 77 Scottish people between December 1983 and July 1984, and they were not told that their blood was being tested for HIV. None of the 12 patients who had tested positive had been told of their HIV test results.

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In a Haemophilia Directors' meeting,13 September 1982, a US report was discussed which stated, among other things, that "there was a remote possibility that commercial blood products had been involved." Dr Ludlam in his oral evidence told to the Inquiry that he could not defend the word "remote".

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In his oral evidence to Inquiry, Professor Ian Hann stated that he left the Second International Symposium on Infections in the Immunocompromised Host thinking that AIDS was likely caused by a new viral agent and that it might possibly be relevant to patients with haemophilia.

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Dr Ian Hann, at this time haematologist at the Royal Free Hospital, attended the Second International Symposium on Infections in the Immunocompromised Host in Stirling, Scotland.

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Peter Stevens sought advice from the Government as to the meaning of the Trust deed as, though the Macfarlane Trust was an independent Trust, the Government had been responsible for the running of the Trust.

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Peter Stevens stated that the Macfarlane Trust trustees had thought that the Government would have viewed the widows and dependants as secondary and of deserving less consideration.

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Peter Stevens stated in his evidence that the Department of Health would not give an assurance of continued funding for the Macfarlane Trust.

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Peter Stevens had said that he would make further efforts to obtain the required additional funding.

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The approach undertaken was softly softly to ensure that the Government understood the problems.

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The Trust were looking for new priorities and ways to use limited funds as they wanted the Government to be unable to resist their pleas for more money.

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Peter Stevens had told trustees to tell the Minister that they were prepared to resign which they rejected. One of the reasons he had told trustees to resign was due to the Minister stating it was an 11% increase but it was hardly an increase as it included provisions for costs of administration which had been covered under a section 64 grant.

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Peter Stevens stated in his oral evidence that he had never stopped working to try and protect the rights of the registrants and there is evidence of private discussions regarding this with civil servants.

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Despite a number of wake up calls there was a lack of openness and transparency in the running of the Trust.

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There was a misplaced distrust of the beneficiaries by the trustees for a fear that the beneficiaries would abuse the system. The distrust had led to policies requiring to be established in detail.

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From the early 1990s the policy was to restrict grants for health related issues.

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It had been restricted as the regular monthly payments would increase from time to time and adjusted for those with the greatest financial need.

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Peter Stevens stated that a census form was required to be completed for regpay. The reason a census form was required was due to the Trust needing to be kept up to date with any changes to financial circumstances as the census form required details of household bills etc.

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Peter Stevens would have, what he regarded and has recognised as, some rants that included inappropriate and disgraceful comments.

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Peter Stevens had said the Trust was inadequately set up by Government.

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